Dhruvi Mehta discussed the experience of creating the painting shown below.
Interview Summary
In summer 2022, the participant created an original art piece at their friend’s house. This piece was a way to relieve stress and attach their happy and exciting memories. They were stressed about entering college as well as proud that they were able to get into the program they liked at the school. While working on the piece, they felt overwhelmed because it is hard for them to start a painting because they like to visualize the ending of the piece though at the end, the participant felt uplifted and liked how it encompassed how they were feeling. They struggled using the sedan wrap but eventually figured out how to use the material. They learned that they are patient people while working on the piece as they were able to stick it through the end even with all the struggles. Others thought their piece was pretty. Throughout the process, they enjoyed seeking how their friends viewed their piece and learned that it is useful to have another set of eyes. They struggled with inauthenticity in their piece because they would use pieces as inspiration but would eventually like to draw inspiration from themselves and what they have already created on the canvas. They believe the sharing experiences created meaning in life and God is seen though actions during life like fairness, honesty, and integrity.
Interview Transcript
Introduction
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Interviewer: In this interview. We are interested in asking you to tell us about an artwork that you created. We're going to ask you to describe this experience in detail. Do you have any questions?
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Participant: Um, I have like one of two artworks. Would you like me to just choose one, or show you on both.
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Interviewer: Uh, so um, one is fine.
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Participant: Okay,
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Interviewer: Okay, We'd like you to think about an artwork that you create. That's especially meaningful to you. Your artwork could be from any of the following domains: painting, drawing, sculpture, stained glass, installation, music, songs, dance, performance art, film, literature, theater, fashion, crafts, mixed media furniture design, architecture, interior design, plastic arts, or any other art form we have not mentioned. The artwork does not necessarily have to be the most important to you, but it should be meaningful and emotionally salient. It helps if your memories about creating the artwork or more vivid. But it's okay if you don't remember everything. It could be an artwork that you created at any age. Please choose your artwork and tell me what it is.
Description
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Participant: Okay, Um. Would you like me to share my screen. Yes, uh, let me know if you're able to. If not, I can make you a co-host. I’m not able to.
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Interviewer: All right. You should be able to know.
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Participant: Can you see my screen? Yeah, this is the artwork that I’m choosing to present. Can you point out any important details. Yeah. So something that I really enjoyed about doing this artwork is that I didn't, I wasn't just using a paint press to paint it, I was using like different I don't know household objects to him to um. So if you see the clouds, they were painted with like crumpled up uh like plastic wrap like Saran wrap, and then the mountains were painted with a plastic knife. Uh to get the effect of the light on them, and then I used this like fan brush to do the trees and um. I also used the crumpled up uh plastic wrap to do the bushes, and I thought it was really interesting to play around with textures, textures, and stuff. Um Yeah.
Why did you choose this one? (Specialness)
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Interviewer: Oh, that's really cool. What made you choose this one?
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Participant: Uh, I think, like the memory attached with it. This is something I created before I came to college, with one of my friends, and it was kind of like an outlet for relieving stress almost because we had just like finished high school and graduated. And there were a lot of like happy, exciting memories associated with that, and we kind of just like wanted to like, put an end to our high school memories by coming together and just like painting. So we each did our own paintings. And this one was actually inspired by Bob Ross. But um, yeah, it was just really fun to come together and kind of. I'll let off steam by talking about our end, creating art. And it was a nice experience, because there's like a feelings of sentimental, feelings of like curiosity about the future almost, and like all that kind of like put into this artwork by me, because, like that, was something I was experiencing at the time.
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Interviewer: It's nice. Yeah, I now that you say that I see the Bob Ross inspiration.
Process of Creation
What led up to its creation? What motivated you to create it?
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Interviewer: Now, please tell me about the experience and process of creating this artwork by answering the following series of questions: Um! Some of these might be a little repetitive. So if you can just expand on any of that you've already talked about. What led up to, and what motivated you to create it?
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Participant: Sorry. Can you repeat that, please?
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Interviewer: What led up to its creation. And what motivated you to creative?
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Participant: I think like right. Prior to this we were very stressed out about finals, and just like the pressures that like being in high school can put on you. But at the same time it was kind of balanced by this fact that, okay, like, I got into college, and I got into a program that I was really proud to get into, and I was like on the right, tracked like my future. So I think those two elements combined are like the emotions that went into this artwork, and really made it meaningful to me, because um more so than just the art it represents like a time period of my life. So it was nice to put that into an image.
When and where did the work happen? Who was involved besides you
(if anyone)?
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Interviewer: When and where did the work happen?
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Participant: The work happened last like the summer, right before I came uh to Case so summer of two thousand and twenty-two and it happened at my friend's house.
What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process?
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Interviewer: What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of creating the artwork? For example, at the beginning, middle and End?
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Participant: Um, for me. Personally, I get very overwhelmed by a blank canvas, and it's really hard for me to just like start painting something, because I’m always just thinking about like I don't know. A blank canvas holds like a lot of potential to me, and I don't want to be able to like mess that up. So when I start painting it's just hard to figure out like what the best thing to paint is gonna be. And I know, like my friends, are much more spirit, free spirited, when it comes to painting, and we'll just kind of go for it and see how it turns out and just like follow along those lines. But for me i'm. I like to be able to visualize like the end of my painting before I even start, so that I have some sort of direction. So I would say in the beginning I was definitely like a little stressed out painting, but as I kept going I started playing around with colors and textures, and I think that was a lot more like uplifting in the process of making and um towards the middle. I was like, Okay, this is going somewhere, and then at the end it was a lot more like I really like how it looked at the end. And while I did find like to critique it on, I felt like it all came together really nicely and like represented what I wanted to. It was a good feeling at the end.
Can you describe any high points, low points or challenges, or turning points along the way?
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Interviewer: Um! Can you describe any high points, low points, or challenges, or turning points along the way?
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Participant: I'd say, the sedan wrap was more difficult to work with than I thought it would be, especially because, like, do you have less control over, like the paint in general, I was using acrylic paint to paint. This art, and like blending with Saran wrap, is not always the easiest thing to do, because the texture can get messed up. So after, like I tried doing solely just the surrender for the clouds. I kind of had to like repaint that portion of the base, and like try again a couple of times, and after I did that I realized that it was easier just to like splotch paint on with the Saran wrap, and then, like, let it dry a little bit, and then kind of just like, use your brush to like tab around it. But yeah, it was just like little things like playing with texture and stuff, because I wasn't just using brushes to paint this.
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Interviewer: mhm
Let’s talk about the impact of the artwork on yourself and others. What did you learn from the process of creating this artwork? Did you learn anything about yourself?
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Interviewer: let's talk about the impact of the artwork on yourself and others. What did you learn from the process of creating this work? And did you learn anything about yourself?
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Participant: Um. Well, I learned about myself that i'm really patient, because this took a really long time. And like I said I was doing this with a group of friends. So a lot of them finished like way earlier than meeting, and they were just hanging out. So I still kind of just like kind of wanted to get it right, and I wanted to do like justice to the piece that I was using inspiration from. And so I think the biggest thing I learned about myself was that, like, I am a patient person, and I will stick it through to the end, even though there are a lot of times like I pick up projects, and then I leave them half finished. I think that's not so much my impatience as it is like my like me being excited to like try something new, so I find myself like jumping around from like different forms of our very often. But In this specific case i'd say it was my patience that I learned about.
How did others receive the artwork? For example, what were their reactions? Did you intend the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
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Interviewer: for others who saw the artwork. How did they receive it? What were their reactions?
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Participant: they all thought it was very pretty. Yeah
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Interviewer: Did you intend for the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
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Participant: Um, I kind of. We all had like a Bob Ross team going on, so I wanted, like his artwork and his vision to come through in my work, and I wanted others to be able to see it as well, and they were. And I think that, like the reason we chose Bob Ross in general was like the serenity surrounding his like arts, art and videos and that's a lot of the serenity ee were feeling right after school finished right before college and it was just like a almost fun loving and like stress-free, and like peaceful moment, to be able to do this with everyone so
Did your experience affect your understanding of others or “the world"?
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Interviewer: did your experience affect your understanding of others or the world?
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Participant 38 : Yeah, I mean, like I was able to see how my friends paint, which is different than the setting that i'm used to painting in, or just like doing cross in general, I'm usually doing them by myself, and I'm usually just taking into consideration my own critiques and my own free feedbacks. When I look at it, and something looks a little off. But um doing our in a setting, I feel like you're able to like your eyes, aren't just your own they are other people's, too, and you can understand how they view your artwork and how maybe you painting something only looks right to you and the other people. So I think that in the grand scheme of things that made me realize that, like it's always useful to have another set of another set of pair of eyes on your work, and it's good to take feedback from other people.
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Interviewer: Yeah,
When some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process? Did you have any insights about your own authentic (or inauthentic) self?
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Interviewer: When some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process? Did you have any insights about your own authentic or inauthentic self?
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Participant 38 : Um! I think that I struggled a little bit with inauthenticity, because I felt like, because i'm so overwhelmed by blank canvases, and like just starting a piece of art, I feel like I need to use pieces as inspiration to just get started, and then I can take it on my own just to like, get an idea, and like I know a lot of artists do this like use a reference image, or picture, or painting, or whatever for that they use for reference. But Something that I aim to be able to do in the future is like, be the reference to your picture. And so, because I want to be able to like, draw inspiration from, like all of these artists like in my own head at certain point, and like that's where I struggle with in authenticity a little bit, because um, it's obviously not going to be like one hundred percent my own work until, like I can do it straight from my mind.
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Interviewer: Yeah, that makes sense.
Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This is defined as deep, underlying meaning that transcends subjective, personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering, as well as spirituality. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process?
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Interviewer: Some people believe in ultimate meeting. This is defined as deep underlying meaning that transcend subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well spirituality. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process?
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Participant 38 : Um, i'm gonna say no, because I don't. I think, that the context in which this art was painted, and the environment in which it was painted it wasn't even about the arts ultimate meaning. It was the meaning of the experience I had. So if I did learn something about ultimate meeting, it was in an environment with friends, and what that experience held more to me, more so than the ultimate meaning of this part. But I guess you can say that, like, or represents that ultimately.
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Interviewer: Yeah
Some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs/experience (such as perceived interactions with God) but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences, or interaction with spirits. Did you have any of these kinds of experiences during the creation of the artwork?
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Interviewer: some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs or experiences, such as perceived interactions with God, but may also include mystical or transcendent experiences or interactions with spirits. Did you have any of these kinds of inter-experiences during the creation of the artwork?
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Participant 38 : No. I'm religious, but also my like extent to being religious kind of goes as far as applying, like the teachings and principles to everyday life, and like structuring how to morally and ethically lead my life. not so much like seeing God and everything I do or uh everything I am, if that makes sense. Yeah. I for reference, I am Hindu. So a lot of like the stories, or like books that are religious in my religion kind of teach about Karmic principles and um what is the right way to live life in general, and that doesn't mean It's very um, it's the word constricting. It's not. It kind of leaves that up to interpretation. It kind of just like outlines major principles of you know, fairness and honesty and integrity just to apply that to everyday life like hard work and stuff like that. So I don't necessarily see, like a god in everything I do. But um, yeah.
Even if you did not have an experience like this, you may have felt some sort of inspiration, guidance, or encouragement from the non physical or supernatural, or you may have felt some sense of presence or connection. Did you have any kind of these experiences during the creation of the artwork?
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Interviewer: even if you did not have an experience like this, you may have felt some sort of inspiration, guidance, or encouragement from the non physical or supernatural, or you may have felt some sense of presence or connection. Did you have any kind of these experiences during the creation of the artwork.
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Participant 38 : Um, not really. And it just goes back to what I said before.
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Interviewer: Yeah. Okay? Well, that was great. Thank you.
In summer 2022, the participant created an original art piece at their friend’s house. This piece was a way to relieve stress and attach their happy and exciting memories. They were stressed about entering college as well as proud that they were able to get into the program they liked at the school. While working on the piece, they felt overwhelmed because it is hard for them to start a painting because they like to visualize the ending of the piece though at the end, the participant felt uplifted and liked how it encompassed how they were feeling. They struggled using the sedan wrap but eventually figured out how to use the material. They learned that they are patient people while working on the piece as they were able to stick it through the end even with all the struggles. Others thought their piece was pretty. Throughout the process, they enjoyed seeking how their friends viewed their piece and learned that it is useful to have another set of eyes. They struggled with inauthenticity in their piece because they would use pieces as inspiration but would eventually like to draw inspiration from themselves and what they have already created on the canvas. They believe the sharing experiences created meaning in life and God is seen though actions during life like fairness, honesty, and integrity.
Interview Transcript
Introduction
1
Interviewer: In this interview. We are interested in asking you to tell us about an artwork that you created. We're going to ask you to describe this experience in detail. Do you have any questions?
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Participant: Um, I have like one of two artworks. Would you like me to just choose one, or show you on both.
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Interviewer: Uh, so um, one is fine.
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Participant: Okay,
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Interviewer: Okay, We'd like you to think about an artwork that you create. That's especially meaningful to you. Your artwork could be from any of the following domains: painting, drawing, sculpture, stained glass, installation, music, songs, dance, performance art, film, literature, theater, fashion, crafts, mixed media furniture design, architecture, interior design, plastic arts, or any other art form we have not mentioned. The artwork does not necessarily have to be the most important to you, but it should be meaningful and emotionally salient. It helps if your memories about creating the artwork or more vivid. But it's okay if you don't remember everything. It could be an artwork that you created at any age. Please choose your artwork and tell me what it is.
Description
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Participant: Okay, Um. Would you like me to share my screen. Yes, uh, let me know if you're able to. If not, I can make you a co-host. I’m not able to.
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Interviewer: All right. You should be able to know.
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Participant: Can you see my screen? Yeah, this is the artwork that I’m choosing to present. Can you point out any important details. Yeah. So something that I really enjoyed about doing this artwork is that I didn't, I wasn't just using a paint press to paint it, I was using like different I don't know household objects to him to um. So if you see the clouds, they were painted with like crumpled up uh like plastic wrap like Saran wrap, and then the mountains were painted with a plastic knife. Uh to get the effect of the light on them, and then I used this like fan brush to do the trees and um. I also used the crumpled up uh plastic wrap to do the bushes, and I thought it was really interesting to play around with textures, textures, and stuff. Um Yeah.
Why did you choose this one? (Specialness)
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Interviewer: Oh, that's really cool. What made you choose this one?
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Participant: Uh, I think, like the memory attached with it. This is something I created before I came to college, with one of my friends, and it was kind of like an outlet for relieving stress almost because we had just like finished high school and graduated. And there were a lot of like happy, exciting memories associated with that, and we kind of just like wanted to like, put an end to our high school memories by coming together and just like painting. So we each did our own paintings. And this one was actually inspired by Bob Ross. But um, yeah, it was just really fun to come together and kind of. I'll let off steam by talking about our end, creating art. And it was a nice experience, because there's like a feelings of sentimental, feelings of like curiosity about the future almost, and like all that kind of like put into this artwork by me, because, like that, was something I was experiencing at the time.
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Interviewer: It's nice. Yeah, I now that you say that I see the Bob Ross inspiration.
Process of Creation
What led up to its creation? What motivated you to create it?
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Interviewer: Now, please tell me about the experience and process of creating this artwork by answering the following series of questions: Um! Some of these might be a little repetitive. So if you can just expand on any of that you've already talked about. What led up to, and what motivated you to create it?
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Participant: Sorry. Can you repeat that, please?
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Interviewer: What led up to its creation. And what motivated you to creative?
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Participant: I think like right. Prior to this we were very stressed out about finals, and just like the pressures that like being in high school can put on you. But at the same time it was kind of balanced by this fact that, okay, like, I got into college, and I got into a program that I was really proud to get into, and I was like on the right, tracked like my future. So I think those two elements combined are like the emotions that went into this artwork, and really made it meaningful to me, because um more so than just the art it represents like a time period of my life. So it was nice to put that into an image.
When and where did the work happen? Who was involved besides you
(if anyone)?
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Interviewer: When and where did the work happen?
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Participant: The work happened last like the summer, right before I came uh to Case so summer of two thousand and twenty-two and it happened at my friend's house.
What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process?
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Interviewer: What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of creating the artwork? For example, at the beginning, middle and End?
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Participant: Um, for me. Personally, I get very overwhelmed by a blank canvas, and it's really hard for me to just like start painting something, because I’m always just thinking about like I don't know. A blank canvas holds like a lot of potential to me, and I don't want to be able to like mess that up. So when I start painting it's just hard to figure out like what the best thing to paint is gonna be. And I know, like my friends, are much more spirit, free spirited, when it comes to painting, and we'll just kind of go for it and see how it turns out and just like follow along those lines. But for me i'm. I like to be able to visualize like the end of my painting before I even start, so that I have some sort of direction. So I would say in the beginning I was definitely like a little stressed out painting, but as I kept going I started playing around with colors and textures, and I think that was a lot more like uplifting in the process of making and um towards the middle. I was like, Okay, this is going somewhere, and then at the end it was a lot more like I really like how it looked at the end. And while I did find like to critique it on, I felt like it all came together really nicely and like represented what I wanted to. It was a good feeling at the end.
Can you describe any high points, low points or challenges, or turning points along the way?
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Interviewer: Um! Can you describe any high points, low points, or challenges, or turning points along the way?
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Participant: I'd say, the sedan wrap was more difficult to work with than I thought it would be, especially because, like, do you have less control over, like the paint in general, I was using acrylic paint to paint. This art, and like blending with Saran wrap, is not always the easiest thing to do, because the texture can get messed up. So after, like I tried doing solely just the surrender for the clouds. I kind of had to like repaint that portion of the base, and like try again a couple of times, and after I did that I realized that it was easier just to like splotch paint on with the Saran wrap, and then, like, let it dry a little bit, and then kind of just like, use your brush to like tab around it. But yeah, it was just like little things like playing with texture and stuff, because I wasn't just using brushes to paint this.
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Interviewer: mhm
Let’s talk about the impact of the artwork on yourself and others. What did you learn from the process of creating this artwork? Did you learn anything about yourself?
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Interviewer: let's talk about the impact of the artwork on yourself and others. What did you learn from the process of creating this work? And did you learn anything about yourself?
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Participant: Um. Well, I learned about myself that i'm really patient, because this took a really long time. And like I said I was doing this with a group of friends. So a lot of them finished like way earlier than meeting, and they were just hanging out. So I still kind of just like kind of wanted to get it right, and I wanted to do like justice to the piece that I was using inspiration from. And so I think the biggest thing I learned about myself was that, like, I am a patient person, and I will stick it through to the end, even though there are a lot of times like I pick up projects, and then I leave them half finished. I think that's not so much my impatience as it is like my like me being excited to like try something new, so I find myself like jumping around from like different forms of our very often. But In this specific case i'd say it was my patience that I learned about.
How did others receive the artwork? For example, what were their reactions? Did you intend the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
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Interviewer: for others who saw the artwork. How did they receive it? What were their reactions?
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Participant: they all thought it was very pretty. Yeah
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Interviewer: Did you intend for the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
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Participant: Um, I kind of. We all had like a Bob Ross team going on, so I wanted, like his artwork and his vision to come through in my work, and I wanted others to be able to see it as well, and they were. And I think that, like the reason we chose Bob Ross in general was like the serenity surrounding his like arts, art and videos and that's a lot of the serenity ee were feeling right after school finished right before college and it was just like a almost fun loving and like stress-free, and like peaceful moment, to be able to do this with everyone so
Did your experience affect your understanding of others or “the world"?
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Interviewer: did your experience affect your understanding of others or the world?
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Participant 38 : Yeah, I mean, like I was able to see how my friends paint, which is different than the setting that i'm used to painting in, or just like doing cross in general, I'm usually doing them by myself, and I'm usually just taking into consideration my own critiques and my own free feedbacks. When I look at it, and something looks a little off. But um doing our in a setting, I feel like you're able to like your eyes, aren't just your own they are other people's, too, and you can understand how they view your artwork and how maybe you painting something only looks right to you and the other people. So I think that in the grand scheme of things that made me realize that, like it's always useful to have another set of another set of pair of eyes on your work, and it's good to take feedback from other people.
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Interviewer: Yeah,
When some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process? Did you have any insights about your own authentic (or inauthentic) self?
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Interviewer: When some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process? Did you have any insights about your own authentic or inauthentic self?
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Participant 38 : Um! I think that I struggled a little bit with inauthenticity, because I felt like, because i'm so overwhelmed by blank canvases, and like just starting a piece of art, I feel like I need to use pieces as inspiration to just get started, and then I can take it on my own just to like, get an idea, and like I know a lot of artists do this like use a reference image, or picture, or painting, or whatever for that they use for reference. But Something that I aim to be able to do in the future is like, be the reference to your picture. And so, because I want to be able to like, draw inspiration from, like all of these artists like in my own head at certain point, and like that's where I struggle with in authenticity a little bit, because um, it's obviously not going to be like one hundred percent my own work until, like I can do it straight from my mind.
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Interviewer: Yeah, that makes sense.
Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This is defined as deep, underlying meaning that transcends subjective, personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering, as well as spirituality. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process?
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Interviewer: Some people believe in ultimate meeting. This is defined as deep underlying meaning that transcend subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well spirituality. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process?
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Participant 38 : Um, i'm gonna say no, because I don't. I think, that the context in which this art was painted, and the environment in which it was painted it wasn't even about the arts ultimate meaning. It was the meaning of the experience I had. So if I did learn something about ultimate meeting, it was in an environment with friends, and what that experience held more to me, more so than the ultimate meaning of this part. But I guess you can say that, like, or represents that ultimately.
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Interviewer: Yeah
Some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs/experience (such as perceived interactions with God) but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences, or interaction with spirits. Did you have any of these kinds of experiences during the creation of the artwork?
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Interviewer: some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs or experiences, such as perceived interactions with God, but may also include mystical or transcendent experiences or interactions with spirits. Did you have any of these kinds of inter-experiences during the creation of the artwork?
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Participant 38 : No. I'm religious, but also my like extent to being religious kind of goes as far as applying, like the teachings and principles to everyday life, and like structuring how to morally and ethically lead my life. not so much like seeing God and everything I do or uh everything I am, if that makes sense. Yeah. I for reference, I am Hindu. So a lot of like the stories, or like books that are religious in my religion kind of teach about Karmic principles and um what is the right way to live life in general, and that doesn't mean It's very um, it's the word constricting. It's not. It kind of leaves that up to interpretation. It kind of just like outlines major principles of you know, fairness and honesty and integrity just to apply that to everyday life like hard work and stuff like that. So I don't necessarily see, like a god in everything I do. But um, yeah.
Even if you did not have an experience like this, you may have felt some sort of inspiration, guidance, or encouragement from the non physical or supernatural, or you may have felt some sense of presence or connection. Did you have any kind of these experiences during the creation of the artwork?
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Interviewer: even if you did not have an experience like this, you may have felt some sort of inspiration, guidance, or encouragement from the non physical or supernatural, or you may have felt some sense of presence or connection. Did you have any kind of these experiences during the creation of the artwork.
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Participant 38 : Um, not really. And it just goes back to what I said before.
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Interviewer: Yeah. Okay? Well, that was great. Thank you.