Interview Summary
The participant chose the song, Misery Meat by Sodikken. The song caught their attention because of how graphic and jarring it is. While it does not sound particularly appealing, they appreciated that it shows that art does not have to be inherently beautiful to still have value and meaning. The participant related to this song because they do not fit the ethnocentric beauty standard where they live, but they realized that aesthetics are not related to their inherent value. The song also portrays themes of “offering yourself up to somebody else,” which the participant relates to, as they grew up with an alcoholic and narcissistic mother. As the participant listened to the lyrics, they resonated with it more and more. It exposed to the participant their pattern of pursuing people who only take from them, without reciprocating. The dark imagery of the song provided the participant with a new perspective, and showed them that their giving nature is actually destructive. The participant especially loved that this song didn’t seem to care about popular approval, but prioritized being genuine and honest in the ugliness of the emotions it expressed. The song revealed to the participant the extent to which they allowed others to take advantage of them, and how draining that is.
Interview Transcript
Introduction
Interviewer: Okay, in this interview we are interested in asking you to tell us about interacting with an artwork created by another artist. We're going to ask you to describe this experience in detail. Do you have any questions? We like you to focus on your interaction with a particular artwork that someone else created. This may be a famous artwork or a work that's not well known. It could be an artwork created by anybody other than you. The artwork can be any form of the following domains: painting, drawing, sculpture, stained glass, installation, music, songs, dance, performance art, film, literature, theater, fashion, crafts, mixed media, furniture design, architecture, interior design, plastic arts, or any other art form we have not mentioned. The artwork does not necessarily have to be the most important to you, but it should be meaningful and emotionally salient. It helps if your memories are vivid. But you don't have to remember everything. Please choose your work and tell me what it is.
Description
Participant: Okay, Um. So I chose a song that I was really into, and it's- it's like an alternative song. It's called Misery Meat, and it's, um, it's just kind of, like, a really ugly song, and I love that.
Interviewer: Can you describe it for me and say any important details about it.
Participant: Oh, yes, um! So when I say it's an ugly song, like, there are lots of sharps and flats, and it- it doesn't sound on when you listen to it the first time. It doesn't sound particularly, like, appealing, but for some reason it gets stuck in your head, and so then you listen to it, and then you learn to appreciate it more. And I just- I really like that aspect of, um, like, art that's not inherently beautiful, but still has meaning, and still has value, and I- I love that.
Why did you choose this one? (Specialness)
Interviewer: What made you choose this one out of all the other art forms you could have chosen?
Participant: Oh so this one’s very, um, emotional, just- or I interpret it very emotionally, because, like, the lyrics are about, um, offering pieces of yourself up to somebody else. And well, for- for one thing, Um, the song being ugly or having lots of, like, weird sliding sounds. Um, that's appealing. Because I grew up in Hawaii, where, um! The majority of people are of Asian descent and I’m a little filipino but not enough to look, uh, visibly Asian. And so where you're living somewhere where you're not the ethnocentric beauty standard, but you still have value, and you still have worth. And that's, um, So that's what I really like about the song. It's because it's not beautiful. The first time you hear it. It's kind of It's an ugly song, but it's, you know the aesthetics are not related to your inherent value, and it's just like, Oh, so I love that part of it, and I- I also chose, because the lyrics themselves are about offering your pieces of yourself up to somebody else, Um, and that’s because it's really relevant to me personally, because my mother, my mother, was an alcoholic and a narcissist, and so I tend to seek out. Talked about this a lot in therapy, but I tend to seek out, like, um, romant- um narcissists in my romantic and my platonic relationships. And so the song is about like being devoured, and it- it just- it resonates because the song is kind of sad, but not angry. And i'm thinking, Oh, that's fitting because a narcissist typically comes from a trauma background. So you always feel kind of bad for being angry with them. And so it's a justification song, but it's a little more biting, um, and it finishes, like, with, um, suicidal ideation. It's like tired, and as somebody with a history of, like, suicidal ideation and attempts, like, that's really meaningful to me. And so, yeah, I just- I love the songs.
Interviewer: Yeah, that's great. I always love, how music can kind of remind us of our experiences and help us learn about ourselves through that. So thank you for sharing that.
Process of Interacting
What led up to the interaction? What motivated you to explore this piece?
Interviewer: Now please tell me about the experience and process of interacting with this work by answering the following series of questions: What led to the interaction and what motivated you to explore the piece.
Participant: Oh, it just one day it showed up, like, in my um recommended videos on Youtube, and so I watched it because I think it was because I saw an animatic, and those are, like, um, not quite animations, but more like storyboards. But people call them animatics, and when you set them to a song. So I saw an automatic of, um, of this song, and I was like, Wow! This is a really - cause it, like, It's kind of a gross song, because, like, the lyrics are, like, as you open up my, um, like. It's just kind of graphic, graphic. And so that was the word I was looking for, and and that's what caught my attention. I was like. Oh, wow! That's not usually heard in a song, and so I just got more into it from there right.
When and where did the experience happen? Who was involved besides you (if anyone)?
Interviewer: when and where did the experience happen?
Participant: Where I first heard this song? I- I don't remember. I probably was in my room or because I was somewhere surfing the Internet. But I don't remember where or what I was doing.
What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of interacting with the artwork?
Interviewer: What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of listening to the song.
Participant: Oh, gosh, Okay, Okay. Okay. So one second, let me pull up the- Okay. I have the lyrics pulled up.
Interviewer: I mean if you wanted to screen share them you totally can.
Participant: Oh, perfect
Interviewer: Make you a, um, co-host. So see.
Participant: Okay. If I remember how to make you a co-host on the call.
Interviewer: Oh, why is it not give me that option? That's so weird. Okay, Okay, you should be able to
Participant: Perfect. Okay, Um. Can you see my screen. I cannot. Oh, all right, I'm having a little trouble.
Interviewer: It's fine. You can just whatever you were going to. [1]
Participant: Okay? Okay. Um, Because, like, it's a really short song, and, like one minute long, and that also caught my attention because I was like, Oh, most songs are usually between two and three minutes or three and four minutes, and so the song goes like, “you want a taste of my brain. Okay, it's yours, anyway. A bite of my eye, all right. I won't put up a fight. How about today? You try eating someone else for a change, because the way things are going? I won't last another day”, and it's just like, and that's just a good. It's just a good sound I was like, Oh, my gosh! And then, like, “as you open up my ribs. The blood flows out like the river. You strip my bones away as you indulge in my liver”, or like it's just a- I was like Ooh! That's a little nasty, but I was like intrigued so, and it ends on like a really sad. So I started off like, okay. while I was listening to it. Um! But it really started to resonate with me more towards like the middle where it's like, “and the more that I am in pain, the more that you'll gain. And to me that seems like a pretty fair trade. You bite my nervous system. A nice, The tormenting spite sacrifice must be made” like it's really, I was like, Whoa! I was like, “the more that I'm in pain. The more that you…” I was like. Oh, that's so good! And then by the end of the song, i'm like fully resonating with it, and the song ends with like, “one thing that you never hear me say is that i'm tired of living. Funny thing That statement changed today. Good thing that i'm forgiving” It's just…so good
Interviewer: It sounds really like really interesting. I'll have to listen to it.
Participant: It's a very interesting song like it's. I highly recommend it, but it I didn't like it the first time I heard it so be prepared.
Interviewer: Got it.
Let's talk about the impact of the artwork on you and your life.
What did you learn from the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Interviewer: Let's talk about the impact of the artwork on you and your life. What did you learn from the process of listening to the song? And Did you learn anything about yourself?
Participant: Oh, boy! So I learned. Wow! It was like, I learned that it's like a pattern, or it- it really exposed that to me that a pattern in my life is, like, pursuing, um, people that just kind of take, and don't really give back, or don't reciprocate or don't. And so i'm in the position of being, like, the giving- the giver person. And so it just kind of revealed that to me. And, but it put it. It painted it like darker than that, and I was like, “Oh, maybe that's not like a- I just want people to be happy. I just wanna give what- it's, like, oh, maybe they're actually kind of taking pieces of me.” It It was just a really different um perspective, and I I like that a lot.
Interviewer: Yeah
Do you think that the artist intended the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Interviewer: Do you think that the artists intended the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Participant: Well, it's it's very- yes, I think so. Um. I think the artist the artist's name is like Sodikkin [tries to pronounce this]. It's S. O. D. I. K. K. E. N.
Interviewer: Okay,
Participant: And so, I mean you. You're choosing, like, such raw descriptions of, like- in most, like- to describe emotional situations that i'm willing to bet like strongly that Um! They believe that this would resonate with other people? And it did.
Did your experience with the artwork affect your understanding of others or “the world?”
Interviewer: Did your experience with the song affect your understanding of others or the world?
Participant: Ooh Yes, because I related it to, like, um, books I was reading, or where certain characters were in, like, painful positions, and so I got to, relate it to myself. I got to relate it to my friends and these fictional characters, and it was just really, like, overall. It was just really amazing. I love. I love the experience. I love that about art in particular, but it's such an edgy song, like, It's so obviously meant to put people off, or like, meant to make you a little uneasy that I just. I like that because i'm like, “Oh”, you know, because most songs are like, “I want you to like me. I want you to like this piece of work. I I put my heart and my soul into it”. This one's like “I put my heart and my soul into it, and it's ugly, and I don't care.Enjoy it if you want to.” And I was like, “Oh, I love that.”
Interviewer: Yeah, definitely.
When some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic.
If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you have any insights about your own authentic (or inauthentic) self?
Interviewer: When some people think about themselves. They see parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process of interacting with the work. Did you have any insights about your own authentic or inauthentic self?
Participant: Wow, um! That's that's a heavy question. Okay, um, my authentic self. I think the last three lines, Um! “One thing that you never hear me say is that i'm tired of living. Funny thing that statement changed today. Good thing that i'm forgiving.” I think that part is the part that really resonated with me, or that I saw myself reflected in. I was like, “Oh, wow!” Because being around people, um, who are narcissistic or just generally toxic, is really, um, draining because you're pouring a lot of time and energy and effort into making them happy. Um, making sure that they're comfortable, but and not, and sort of disrespecting your own boundaries. And so that was revealed to me, like this song is like, “Wow! You have no boundaries. This you would let this person take your brain, or your eye, or your liver, like all the other things that the song names.” And so, I think that was the most authentic um, part of it for me.
Interviewer: Yeah, yeah.
Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This is defined as deep, underlying meaning that transcends subjective, personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering, as well as spirituality.
If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process of interacting with the artwork?
Interviewer: Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This is defined as deep underlying meaning that transcends subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well spirituality. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process of interacting with the piece.
Participant: Ultimate meaning. Oh, wow! So the song I realized that, like my interpretation of it, is in is entirely personal, like super subjective. So that is a bit of a more difficult question for me. Um, Because I think the author is definitely feeling something strongly, and it's sort of- it's like, It's about boundaries. It's about pain. It's about um, like, it- So those I feel like are the more universal aspects. And then, being tired just of all of that, or just existentially tired, maybe, or being forgiving to people over and over again, because the last line is “good thing that i'm forgiving,” and then finally turning that back around to yourself. So wait. That's a more personal one too sorry.
Interviewer: No, it makes sense. So
Some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs/experiences (such as perceived interactions with God) but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences, or interaction with spirits.
Did you have any of these kinds experiences during the interaction with the artwork?
Interviewer: some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs or experiences, such as perceived interactions with God, but may also include mystical or transcendent experiences or interaction with spirits. Did you have any kind of these experiences during the interaction with the piece?
Participant: Um, no, I I wouldn't say I had any spiritual and well, certainly nothing religious, like, i'm not, um, a particularly religious person. But, you know. I believe there's something more than, like, just science. I- I like. I believe in the soul, I guess, and but it's It's really sort of up in the air in my head. But this one really touched me in a way that i'm like, “Oh, wow!” That's- that hit me, like, existentially. And and i'm like, if we were just- just science, or just, you know, primates and all that, we wouldn't like. Why would you be able to make art and stuff like this, like That's so painful, like that So that sort of gave me a spiritual feeling to it because I was like, “Oh, that involves more than just regular life.”
Interviewer: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
How old were you?
Interviewer: Um. Do you remember how old you were when you first listened to it?
Participant: Uh! It only came out recently. They came out in 2021 it says, so I was either seventeen or- probably seventeen. Yeah, I want to say seventeen.
Interviewer: Yeah. Okay? Well, that was great. Thank you.
The participant chose the song, Misery Meat by Sodikken. The song caught their attention because of how graphic and jarring it is. While it does not sound particularly appealing, they appreciated that it shows that art does not have to be inherently beautiful to still have value and meaning. The participant related to this song because they do not fit the ethnocentric beauty standard where they live, but they realized that aesthetics are not related to their inherent value. The song also portrays themes of “offering yourself up to somebody else,” which the participant relates to, as they grew up with an alcoholic and narcissistic mother. As the participant listened to the lyrics, they resonated with it more and more. It exposed to the participant their pattern of pursuing people who only take from them, without reciprocating. The dark imagery of the song provided the participant with a new perspective, and showed them that their giving nature is actually destructive. The participant especially loved that this song didn’t seem to care about popular approval, but prioritized being genuine and honest in the ugliness of the emotions it expressed. The song revealed to the participant the extent to which they allowed others to take advantage of them, and how draining that is.
Interview Transcript
Introduction
Interviewer: Okay, in this interview we are interested in asking you to tell us about interacting with an artwork created by another artist. We're going to ask you to describe this experience in detail. Do you have any questions? We like you to focus on your interaction with a particular artwork that someone else created. This may be a famous artwork or a work that's not well known. It could be an artwork created by anybody other than you. The artwork can be any form of the following domains: painting, drawing, sculpture, stained glass, installation, music, songs, dance, performance art, film, literature, theater, fashion, crafts, mixed media, furniture design, architecture, interior design, plastic arts, or any other art form we have not mentioned. The artwork does not necessarily have to be the most important to you, but it should be meaningful and emotionally salient. It helps if your memories are vivid. But you don't have to remember everything. Please choose your work and tell me what it is.
Description
Participant: Okay, Um. So I chose a song that I was really into, and it's- it's like an alternative song. It's called Misery Meat, and it's, um, it's just kind of, like, a really ugly song, and I love that.
Interviewer: Can you describe it for me and say any important details about it.
Participant: Oh, yes, um! So when I say it's an ugly song, like, there are lots of sharps and flats, and it- it doesn't sound on when you listen to it the first time. It doesn't sound particularly, like, appealing, but for some reason it gets stuck in your head, and so then you listen to it, and then you learn to appreciate it more. And I just- I really like that aspect of, um, like, art that's not inherently beautiful, but still has meaning, and still has value, and I- I love that.
Why did you choose this one? (Specialness)
Interviewer: What made you choose this one out of all the other art forms you could have chosen?
Participant: Oh so this one’s very, um, emotional, just- or I interpret it very emotionally, because, like, the lyrics are about, um, offering pieces of yourself up to somebody else. And well, for- for one thing, Um, the song being ugly or having lots of, like, weird sliding sounds. Um, that's appealing. Because I grew up in Hawaii, where, um! The majority of people are of Asian descent and I’m a little filipino but not enough to look, uh, visibly Asian. And so where you're living somewhere where you're not the ethnocentric beauty standard, but you still have value, and you still have worth. And that's, um, So that's what I really like about the song. It's because it's not beautiful. The first time you hear it. It's kind of It's an ugly song, but it's, you know the aesthetics are not related to your inherent value, and it's just like, Oh, so I love that part of it, and I- I also chose, because the lyrics themselves are about offering your pieces of yourself up to somebody else, Um, and that’s because it's really relevant to me personally, because my mother, my mother, was an alcoholic and a narcissist, and so I tend to seek out. Talked about this a lot in therapy, but I tend to seek out, like, um, romant- um narcissists in my romantic and my platonic relationships. And so the song is about like being devoured, and it- it just- it resonates because the song is kind of sad, but not angry. And i'm thinking, Oh, that's fitting because a narcissist typically comes from a trauma background. So you always feel kind of bad for being angry with them. And so it's a justification song, but it's a little more biting, um, and it finishes, like, with, um, suicidal ideation. It's like tired, and as somebody with a history of, like, suicidal ideation and attempts, like, that's really meaningful to me. And so, yeah, I just- I love the songs.
Interviewer: Yeah, that's great. I always love, how music can kind of remind us of our experiences and help us learn about ourselves through that. So thank you for sharing that.
Process of Interacting
What led up to the interaction? What motivated you to explore this piece?
Interviewer: Now please tell me about the experience and process of interacting with this work by answering the following series of questions: What led to the interaction and what motivated you to explore the piece.
Participant: Oh, it just one day it showed up, like, in my um recommended videos on Youtube, and so I watched it because I think it was because I saw an animatic, and those are, like, um, not quite animations, but more like storyboards. But people call them animatics, and when you set them to a song. So I saw an automatic of, um, of this song, and I was like, Wow! This is a really - cause it, like, It's kind of a gross song, because, like, the lyrics are, like, as you open up my, um, like. It's just kind of graphic, graphic. And so that was the word I was looking for, and and that's what caught my attention. I was like. Oh, wow! That's not usually heard in a song, and so I just got more into it from there right.
When and where did the experience happen? Who was involved besides you (if anyone)?
Interviewer: when and where did the experience happen?
Participant: Where I first heard this song? I- I don't remember. I probably was in my room or because I was somewhere surfing the Internet. But I don't remember where or what I was doing.
What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of interacting with the artwork?
Interviewer: What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of listening to the song.
Participant: Oh, gosh, Okay, Okay. Okay. So one second, let me pull up the- Okay. I have the lyrics pulled up.
Interviewer: I mean if you wanted to screen share them you totally can.
Participant: Oh, perfect
Interviewer: Make you a, um, co-host. So see.
Participant: Okay. If I remember how to make you a co-host on the call.
Interviewer: Oh, why is it not give me that option? That's so weird. Okay, Okay, you should be able to
Participant: Perfect. Okay, Um. Can you see my screen. I cannot. Oh, all right, I'm having a little trouble.
Interviewer: It's fine. You can just whatever you were going to. [1]
Participant: Okay? Okay. Um, Because, like, it's a really short song, and, like one minute long, and that also caught my attention because I was like, Oh, most songs are usually between two and three minutes or three and four minutes, and so the song goes like, “you want a taste of my brain. Okay, it's yours, anyway. A bite of my eye, all right. I won't put up a fight. How about today? You try eating someone else for a change, because the way things are going? I won't last another day”, and it's just like, and that's just a good. It's just a good sound I was like, Oh, my gosh! And then, like, “as you open up my ribs. The blood flows out like the river. You strip my bones away as you indulge in my liver”, or like it's just a- I was like Ooh! That's a little nasty, but I was like intrigued so, and it ends on like a really sad. So I started off like, okay. while I was listening to it. Um! But it really started to resonate with me more towards like the middle where it's like, “and the more that I am in pain, the more that you'll gain. And to me that seems like a pretty fair trade. You bite my nervous system. A nice, The tormenting spite sacrifice must be made” like it's really, I was like, Whoa! I was like, “the more that I'm in pain. The more that you…” I was like. Oh, that's so good! And then by the end of the song, i'm like fully resonating with it, and the song ends with like, “one thing that you never hear me say is that i'm tired of living. Funny thing That statement changed today. Good thing that i'm forgiving” It's just…so good
Interviewer: It sounds really like really interesting. I'll have to listen to it.
Participant: It's a very interesting song like it's. I highly recommend it, but it I didn't like it the first time I heard it so be prepared.
Interviewer: Got it.
Let's talk about the impact of the artwork on you and your life.
What did you learn from the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Interviewer: Let's talk about the impact of the artwork on you and your life. What did you learn from the process of listening to the song? And Did you learn anything about yourself?
Participant: Oh, boy! So I learned. Wow! It was like, I learned that it's like a pattern, or it- it really exposed that to me that a pattern in my life is, like, pursuing, um, people that just kind of take, and don't really give back, or don't reciprocate or don't. And so i'm in the position of being, like, the giving- the giver person. And so it just kind of revealed that to me. And, but it put it. It painted it like darker than that, and I was like, “Oh, maybe that's not like a- I just want people to be happy. I just wanna give what- it's, like, oh, maybe they're actually kind of taking pieces of me.” It It was just a really different um perspective, and I I like that a lot.
Interviewer: Yeah
Do you think that the artist intended the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Interviewer: Do you think that the artists intended the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Participant: Well, it's it's very- yes, I think so. Um. I think the artist the artist's name is like Sodikkin [tries to pronounce this]. It's S. O. D. I. K. K. E. N.
Interviewer: Okay,
Participant: And so, I mean you. You're choosing, like, such raw descriptions of, like- in most, like- to describe emotional situations that i'm willing to bet like strongly that Um! They believe that this would resonate with other people? And it did.
Did your experience with the artwork affect your understanding of others or “the world?”
Interviewer: Did your experience with the song affect your understanding of others or the world?
Participant: Ooh Yes, because I related it to, like, um, books I was reading, or where certain characters were in, like, painful positions, and so I got to, relate it to myself. I got to relate it to my friends and these fictional characters, and it was just really, like, overall. It was just really amazing. I love. I love the experience. I love that about art in particular, but it's such an edgy song, like, It's so obviously meant to put people off, or like, meant to make you a little uneasy that I just. I like that because i'm like, “Oh”, you know, because most songs are like, “I want you to like me. I want you to like this piece of work. I I put my heart and my soul into it”. This one's like “I put my heart and my soul into it, and it's ugly, and I don't care.Enjoy it if you want to.” And I was like, “Oh, I love that.”
Interviewer: Yeah, definitely.
When some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic.
If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you have any insights about your own authentic (or inauthentic) self?
Interviewer: When some people think about themselves. They see parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process of interacting with the work. Did you have any insights about your own authentic or inauthentic self?
Participant: Wow, um! That's that's a heavy question. Okay, um, my authentic self. I think the last three lines, Um! “One thing that you never hear me say is that i'm tired of living. Funny thing that statement changed today. Good thing that i'm forgiving.” I think that part is the part that really resonated with me, or that I saw myself reflected in. I was like, “Oh, wow!” Because being around people, um, who are narcissistic or just generally toxic, is really, um, draining because you're pouring a lot of time and energy and effort into making them happy. Um, making sure that they're comfortable, but and not, and sort of disrespecting your own boundaries. And so that was revealed to me, like this song is like, “Wow! You have no boundaries. This you would let this person take your brain, or your eye, or your liver, like all the other things that the song names.” And so, I think that was the most authentic um, part of it for me.
Interviewer: Yeah, yeah.
Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This is defined as deep, underlying meaning that transcends subjective, personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering, as well as spirituality.
If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process of interacting with the artwork?
Interviewer: Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This is defined as deep underlying meaning that transcends subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well spirituality. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process of interacting with the piece.
Participant: Ultimate meaning. Oh, wow! So the song I realized that, like my interpretation of it, is in is entirely personal, like super subjective. So that is a bit of a more difficult question for me. Um, Because I think the author is definitely feeling something strongly, and it's sort of- it's like, It's about boundaries. It's about pain. It's about um, like, it- So those I feel like are the more universal aspects. And then, being tired just of all of that, or just existentially tired, maybe, or being forgiving to people over and over again, because the last line is “good thing that i'm forgiving,” and then finally turning that back around to yourself. So wait. That's a more personal one too sorry.
Interviewer: No, it makes sense. So
Some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs/experiences (such as perceived interactions with God) but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences, or interaction with spirits.
Did you have any of these kinds experiences during the interaction with the artwork?
Interviewer: some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs or experiences, such as perceived interactions with God, but may also include mystical or transcendent experiences or interaction with spirits. Did you have any kind of these experiences during the interaction with the piece?
Participant: Um, no, I I wouldn't say I had any spiritual and well, certainly nothing religious, like, i'm not, um, a particularly religious person. But, you know. I believe there's something more than, like, just science. I- I like. I believe in the soul, I guess, and but it's It's really sort of up in the air in my head. But this one really touched me in a way that i'm like, “Oh, wow!” That's- that hit me, like, existentially. And and i'm like, if we were just- just science, or just, you know, primates and all that, we wouldn't like. Why would you be able to make art and stuff like this, like That's so painful, like that So that sort of gave me a spiritual feeling to it because I was like, “Oh, that involves more than just regular life.”
Interviewer: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
How old were you?
Interviewer: Um. Do you remember how old you were when you first listened to it?
Participant: Uh! It only came out recently. They came out in 2021 it says, so I was either seventeen or- probably seventeen. Yeah, I want to say seventeen.
Interviewer: Yeah. Okay? Well, that was great. Thank you.
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