Interview Summary
The participant was 16 years old when they first interacted with the romantic style viola piece of music, Romanze for Viola by Bruch, by learning how to play it. They were heading into their last year of high school which was causing them to question what they wanted to do as a career and what they wanted to dedicate their life to. They first interacted with the piece listening to it alone at night because their Viola teacher had selected it for them to play. When interacting with this romantic and passionate piece, they realized that music for them is a way to decorate time that shapes how you experience it and allows them to express their passion. They had some low points while facing the challenge of working on their technique to play it and high points when enjoying both listening to it and playing the full piece.
From this interaction, they learned how to appreciate music for the expressions and emotions it provides, in this case, the passion the compositor wants others to experience. They also realized music is not just what you are taught, that they wanted to pursue a career in music and learned how to experience their own emotions and better understand others. During this interaction, they also felt a connection with a spiritual force and had no perceptions of reality beyond the physical world.
Interview Transcript
Introduction
Interviewer: Okay and remember you can stop the interview at any time without a penalty to your participation or compensation. So, in this interview we're interested in asking you to tell us about interacting with an artwork created by another artist. So, I know you've chosen your artwork. So, what is it?
Participant: It is a piece of music. It's the Romanze for Viola, by Bruch.
Interviewer: And then this may be somewhat trickier with piece of music. But do you have the artwork with you? Could you share it in some way?
Participant: Yeah, I have a link to a YouTube recording of it. Does that work?
Interviewer: Yeah, that would work out fine.
Participant: Okay, I'll put that in the chat. Okay.
Interviewer: It, Millions find a low-cost health plan at healthcare. Gov. Sorry about that. There we go. I think that, okay. Got it, perfect. Okay. I don't know if you would want to. I don't know how, how long that is. If it would be worth to play it, or is it?
Participant: It's, it's about 9 min long.
Interviewer: Ok, then that is a little too long to go over the whole thing. Is there any like particular part of it that would be worth sharing for, maybe like a minute or so?
Participant: Yeah, I mean the, the first minute of it. It's kind of, I mean it progresses, but the, the first minute kinda gives you most of the information you need.
Interviewer: Ok, so let me. I'm trying to share that.
Song playing
Description
Interviewer: Alright, yeah. Thank you for that. Now, I know I kind of wish we could continue, but unfortunately, we don't have time to to play the whole thing. But thanks for sharing that, could you describe that piece for me. So, what are some of the important details?
Participant: So, it's a not a concerto, but it's a piece for viola and orchestra. Romantic style. Yeah, like what other?
Interviewer: Yeah. Any other details that you think would be worth mentioning.
Participant: I mean, I, I learned to play it when I was in high school and spent a lot of time listening to it because I was learning it.
Interviewer: Great. Thank you.
Why did you choose this one? (Specialness)
Interviewer: And then why did you choose to talk about this one for this study?
Participant: I chose it because it had a fairly large impact in my life. When I was learning it, oh, I went to interlocking for the first time. I had like significant over-use injuries, and I was heading into my senior year of high school and kind of questioning what do I want to do for college and career? and my life? And so, there is one night that I was just at home, listening to the recording and kind of fell in love with it. And as I was listening, and I had just learned how to hear all the different elements of music in it, and really, not just play it, but understand the music. And so, as I was listening to it, I decided music is going to be my career in some way.
What was meaningful or distinguishing about this piece compared to other art forms?
Interviewer: Oh, great and then you started to talk about this. But is there something about music that is meaningful or distinguishing from other art forms for you.
Participant: Yeah, I think the, the active nature of it I like in general, I prefer performing to listening now. Visual art. Maybe it's just because I haven't studied it, but I look at it go. That's nice, that's interesting, and then walk away, but with music it's, it's temporal. I've heard it. I forgot who said it, but music is how we decorate time. That it's and it's always different every time you do it, and it kinda whether you're playing or listening. It, it shapes how time flows, as you're experiencing it.
Interviewer: Great. Thank you.
What led up to the interaction? What motivated you to explore the piece?
Interviewer: So, now could you please tell me a little bit about the experience and process of interacting with this piece, so what led up to the interaction with this piece? What motivated you to explore it?
Participant: So, my Viola teacher had selected it for me. They thought it was kind of the next step that I had that I was ready for it in terms of my skills, and then I might enjoy playing it.
Interviewer: Great.
Was there anything that needed to be expressed though this piece?
Interviewer: And then do you think that there is something that kind of wanted or needed to be expressed through this piece?
Participant: Hmm. Yeah, that this piece definitely has, there, there's a passion to it, and I guess it's because it's a romance. But it's so well suited to the viola. A lot of pieces feel like maybe they could be written for another instrument. But, and you just kind of played on the viola, but this piece really feels like it was written for the viola. It fits the range; it fits the timbre and has something to say. It's like it sounds like the viola is singing and expressing this passion, and being a viola player, the sound of the viola felt like my voice, and so listening to it and playing it felt like me singing, expressing passion. Well, for what I don't know kind of non-specific emotion.
Interviewer: Great, Thank you.
When and where did the interaction happen? Was anyone involved besides you?
Interviewer: And then where and when did the interaction with this piece happen and was anyone involved besides you?
Participant: So, that particular moment when you know it cost me to rethink the course of my entire life. it was just me. I was just listening to it on a very old iPod, just with headphones by myself in my house, kind of late at night the rest of my family was asleep.
What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of interacting with the work?
Interviewer: Great and then could you tell me a little bit about your thoughts and feelings at different times throughout the process of interacting with this piece?
Participant: Yeah. So, at the beginning it has that orchestral introduction before the view that comes in. That is just kind of setting the tone, but it has the buildup of something's gonna happen. Don't quite know what. And when the viola comes in it's just like moment of satisfaction, of oh, so this is what's gonna happen. Let's see where it goes and then later it kind of states the main theme, and then later on, maybe. I haven't done a formal analysis of it, but I think I would call it maybe the B melody, the viola line. It kinda explores the range a little bit more, goes really low, goes really high, starts playing around the melody before coming back to the primary theme. Did that answer the question? I kind of lost track.
Interviewer: Yeah, for sure.
Can you describe any high points, low points or challenges, or turning points along the way?
Interviewer: And then can you describe any high points, low points, or challenges, or turning points in your interaction with this piece?
Participant: Yeah. So, when I was learning to play it, there's a lot of, you know, working through the technical issues and practicing the same parts over and over, a lot of just running through it listening. So, I'd say, working through the technique challenges would be the low points of
just woodshedding is just working on it to get it right. The high points would be listening to it all the way through, and just enjoying it and playing it all the way through after having learned it.
Let's talk about the impact of the artwork on you and your life
What did you learn from the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Interviewer: And let's talk a little bit about the impact of this piece on you and your life. So, what have you learned from the process of interacting with this piece? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Participant: Yeah. So, I think up until that point I had spent a lot of my time as a musician working on technique and technical issues. No, because I was in high school. So, I learned how to read music, learned all the how to play the instrument, and a lot of focus on the technical aspects, the perfecting the craft aspects. But when I took that time to start listening. I listening to this piece. Help me hear music for its aesthetic value, for its emotion, expression, power in a way that I hadn't really thought about or paid attention to beforehand. Yeah. That’s pretty much.
Do you think the artist intended to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Interviewer: Okay, great and then do you think that this piece was intended to affect other people or the world in any particular ways?
Participant: I think so. I don't know much about Brooke. I know he was not one of the more prolific composers. But it being a romance, I think that that emotional power and the passion that I hear in it, I think that was definitely intended. I'm not sure if he was expressing love for a particular person or the general passion. I'm not sure what his motivation behind it was, but clearly, he put some, had some passionate inspiration. It wanted to help other people feel that or experience it.
Did your experience affect your own understanding of people or the world?
Interviewer: Great. And then did your experience with this piece affect your own understanding of other people or of the world.
Participant: I think. Hmm. Mostly it helped me understand part of myself. I will say I don't know if it's relevant to the research at all. But I am autistic, and I am Alexithymia which makes them often not aware of my own emotions. I'm not connected to them, I had trouble verbalizing them. So, it helped me really experience my own emotions in a way that I hadn't before and I felt like I guess it helped me understand other people, because I had heard other people talking about emotions in this way and listen to this piece was one of the first times I thought, oh, this is what everyone's talking about when they talk about feeling passion or romance.
Did you have any insights about your own authentic (or inauthentic) self?
Interviewer: Great. Thank you so much for sharing that this next question kind of builds a little bit on that. So, when some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process of interacting with this piece. Did you have any insights about your own authentic or inauthentic self?
Participant: Yeah. So, I connected to what I said before it helped me realize that oh, that emotion is inside me, even though I don't always have conscious access to it. That music was so important to me. At that point I was considering studying biology, and actually stopping music entirely. But it made me realize, no, this is a deep, intrinsic aspect of myself, that I cannot stop and want to continue further. And I also learned that the way that my, the way that I was learning music, the way that my teachers were teaching me how to interact with music was not necessarily the way that I wanted to, and that there were multiple ways to interact with music that it wasn't all about technical perfection. But it could be experience more deeply. And it looked at from other angles and that's how I wanted to look at music. Study it.
Did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process?
Interviewer: Great. Thank you. So, this prompt is a little bit longer. Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This is defined as deep underlying meaning that transcends subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significant significance of suffering as well as spirituality. If this idea resonates with you. Did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process of interacting with this piece?
Participant: Hmm. I think at the time that I first listened to it, I was a more spiritual person than I am now. I was more connected to my religion and thinking of the world and more spiritual ways. Thinking about how everything works together where there is a high, whether there is a higher power or not. And I think at the time I did feel like I was kind of tapping into that spirituality that this was not, even though I was alone listening to the piece. I was not necessarily connecting to other people but connecting to a more spiritual force in the world. So that's true.
Perceptions of reality beyond the physical world.
Interviewer: And then this question kind of builds off of that. So, some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world, and this may include religious beliefs and experiences as such as perceived interactions with God, but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences or interaction with spirits. Did you have any of these kinds of experiences during the interaction with this piece?
Participant: I don't think I did.
Perceptions of reality beyond the physical world
Interviewer: And then, even if you didn't have an experience like that, I, you might have felt some sort of inspiration guidance or encouragement from the non-physical or supernatural, or you might have felt some sense of presence or connection. Do you have any of these kinds of experiences in your interaction with that piece?
Participant: I did.
Interviewer: And then could you talk a little bit about what that experience was like and how it affected you as a person and your religious and spiritual beliefs, if at all.
Participant: Yeah. So, that inspiration of music is imported to me. I need music in my life that that push to make a decision. It didn't feel like it was entirely a decision that I made but a, like the universe, everything in the universe kind of coming together and bringing me bringing that conclusion to me or pushing me in that direction. But it didn't feel like an interaction with a particular God or spiritual meeting.
Interviewer: Yeah, great, thank you.
How old were you?
Interviewer: I just have a few shorter follow up questions. So, how old were you when you interacted with this piece?
Participant: Let’s see, I would have been about 16.
Interviewer: Okay.
How do you perceive the quality of the piece?
Interviewer: And then how do you perceive the quality of this piece?
Participant: I think it's up there. It's definitely one of my favorite pieces of classical music. At least I know the others might say it's not, maybe not the most sophisticated, but that I put it at the top.
Life Events
Interviewer: And then you've already talked a little bit about this, but I wondered if you wanted to say anything more about what was going on in your own life around the time that you interacted with this piece.
Participant: Yeah. So, I was, it was this like the end of the summer before my senior year of high school. I had just come home from Interlockin Arts Camp for the first year that I went, I went twice. The previous school year. I was thinking about going into science for a career and dropping music. But I went to Interlockin within the first week. I had an overuse injury and couldn't play for most of the rest of the summer. So, I started exploring their library, where I discovered scores, and I would sit in orchestra rehearsal because I couldn't play, and I would sit with the score and do some score study for the first time, and I checked out a book from the library on the Physics of music. So, I was starting to explore other aspects of music and different ways to study music and interact with it besides performance and, but at the same time I had this injury and couldn't perform so, it was a time of kind of being in flux of not knowing what I was gonna do for college, what direction my life was going to go, and what my relationship with music was going to be going forward.
Interviewer: Great: yeah, that was great. Now, thank you so much. Just yeah.
The participant was 16 years old when they first interacted with the romantic style viola piece of music, Romanze for Viola by Bruch, by learning how to play it. They were heading into their last year of high school which was causing them to question what they wanted to do as a career and what they wanted to dedicate their life to. They first interacted with the piece listening to it alone at night because their Viola teacher had selected it for them to play. When interacting with this romantic and passionate piece, they realized that music for them is a way to decorate time that shapes how you experience it and allows them to express their passion. They had some low points while facing the challenge of working on their technique to play it and high points when enjoying both listening to it and playing the full piece.
From this interaction, they learned how to appreciate music for the expressions and emotions it provides, in this case, the passion the compositor wants others to experience. They also realized music is not just what you are taught, that they wanted to pursue a career in music and learned how to experience their own emotions and better understand others. During this interaction, they also felt a connection with a spiritual force and had no perceptions of reality beyond the physical world.
Interview Transcript
Introduction
Interviewer: Okay and remember you can stop the interview at any time without a penalty to your participation or compensation. So, in this interview we're interested in asking you to tell us about interacting with an artwork created by another artist. So, I know you've chosen your artwork. So, what is it?
Participant: It is a piece of music. It's the Romanze for Viola, by Bruch.
Interviewer: And then this may be somewhat trickier with piece of music. But do you have the artwork with you? Could you share it in some way?
Participant: Yeah, I have a link to a YouTube recording of it. Does that work?
Interviewer: Yeah, that would work out fine.
Participant: Okay, I'll put that in the chat. Okay.
Interviewer: It, Millions find a low-cost health plan at healthcare. Gov. Sorry about that. There we go. I think that, okay. Got it, perfect. Okay. I don't know if you would want to. I don't know how, how long that is. If it would be worth to play it, or is it?
Participant: It's, it's about 9 min long.
Interviewer: Ok, then that is a little too long to go over the whole thing. Is there any like particular part of it that would be worth sharing for, maybe like a minute or so?
Participant: Yeah, I mean the, the first minute of it. It's kind of, I mean it progresses, but the, the first minute kinda gives you most of the information you need.
Interviewer: Ok, so let me. I'm trying to share that.
Song playing
Description
Interviewer: Alright, yeah. Thank you for that. Now, I know I kind of wish we could continue, but unfortunately, we don't have time to to play the whole thing. But thanks for sharing that, could you describe that piece for me. So, what are some of the important details?
Participant: So, it's a not a concerto, but it's a piece for viola and orchestra. Romantic style. Yeah, like what other?
Interviewer: Yeah. Any other details that you think would be worth mentioning.
Participant: I mean, I, I learned to play it when I was in high school and spent a lot of time listening to it because I was learning it.
Interviewer: Great. Thank you.
Why did you choose this one? (Specialness)
Interviewer: And then why did you choose to talk about this one for this study?
Participant: I chose it because it had a fairly large impact in my life. When I was learning it, oh, I went to interlocking for the first time. I had like significant over-use injuries, and I was heading into my senior year of high school and kind of questioning what do I want to do for college and career? and my life? And so, there is one night that I was just at home, listening to the recording and kind of fell in love with it. And as I was listening, and I had just learned how to hear all the different elements of music in it, and really, not just play it, but understand the music. And so, as I was listening to it, I decided music is going to be my career in some way.
What was meaningful or distinguishing about this piece compared to other art forms?
Interviewer: Oh, great and then you started to talk about this. But is there something about music that is meaningful or distinguishing from other art forms for you.
Participant: Yeah, I think the, the active nature of it I like in general, I prefer performing to listening now. Visual art. Maybe it's just because I haven't studied it, but I look at it go. That's nice, that's interesting, and then walk away, but with music it's, it's temporal. I've heard it. I forgot who said it, but music is how we decorate time. That it's and it's always different every time you do it, and it kinda whether you're playing or listening. It, it shapes how time flows, as you're experiencing it.
Interviewer: Great. Thank you.
What led up to the interaction? What motivated you to explore the piece?
Interviewer: So, now could you please tell me a little bit about the experience and process of interacting with this piece, so what led up to the interaction with this piece? What motivated you to explore it?
Participant: So, my Viola teacher had selected it for me. They thought it was kind of the next step that I had that I was ready for it in terms of my skills, and then I might enjoy playing it.
Interviewer: Great.
Was there anything that needed to be expressed though this piece?
Interviewer: And then do you think that there is something that kind of wanted or needed to be expressed through this piece?
Participant: Hmm. Yeah, that this piece definitely has, there, there's a passion to it, and I guess it's because it's a romance. But it's so well suited to the viola. A lot of pieces feel like maybe they could be written for another instrument. But, and you just kind of played on the viola, but this piece really feels like it was written for the viola. It fits the range; it fits the timbre and has something to say. It's like it sounds like the viola is singing and expressing this passion, and being a viola player, the sound of the viola felt like my voice, and so listening to it and playing it felt like me singing, expressing passion. Well, for what I don't know kind of non-specific emotion.
Interviewer: Great, Thank you.
When and where did the interaction happen? Was anyone involved besides you?
Interviewer: And then where and when did the interaction with this piece happen and was anyone involved besides you?
Participant: So, that particular moment when you know it cost me to rethink the course of my entire life. it was just me. I was just listening to it on a very old iPod, just with headphones by myself in my house, kind of late at night the rest of my family was asleep.
What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of interacting with the work?
Interviewer: Great and then could you tell me a little bit about your thoughts and feelings at different times throughout the process of interacting with this piece?
Participant: Yeah. So, at the beginning it has that orchestral introduction before the view that comes in. That is just kind of setting the tone, but it has the buildup of something's gonna happen. Don't quite know what. And when the viola comes in it's just like moment of satisfaction, of oh, so this is what's gonna happen. Let's see where it goes and then later it kind of states the main theme, and then later on, maybe. I haven't done a formal analysis of it, but I think I would call it maybe the B melody, the viola line. It kinda explores the range a little bit more, goes really low, goes really high, starts playing around the melody before coming back to the primary theme. Did that answer the question? I kind of lost track.
Interviewer: Yeah, for sure.
Can you describe any high points, low points or challenges, or turning points along the way?
Interviewer: And then can you describe any high points, low points, or challenges, or turning points in your interaction with this piece?
Participant: Yeah. So, when I was learning to play it, there's a lot of, you know, working through the technical issues and practicing the same parts over and over, a lot of just running through it listening. So, I'd say, working through the technique challenges would be the low points of
just woodshedding is just working on it to get it right. The high points would be listening to it all the way through, and just enjoying it and playing it all the way through after having learned it.
Let's talk about the impact of the artwork on you and your life
What did you learn from the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Interviewer: And let's talk a little bit about the impact of this piece on you and your life. So, what have you learned from the process of interacting with this piece? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Participant: Yeah. So, I think up until that point I had spent a lot of my time as a musician working on technique and technical issues. No, because I was in high school. So, I learned how to read music, learned all the how to play the instrument, and a lot of focus on the technical aspects, the perfecting the craft aspects. But when I took that time to start listening. I listening to this piece. Help me hear music for its aesthetic value, for its emotion, expression, power in a way that I hadn't really thought about or paid attention to beforehand. Yeah. That’s pretty much.
Do you think the artist intended to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Interviewer: Okay, great and then do you think that this piece was intended to affect other people or the world in any particular ways?
Participant: I think so. I don't know much about Brooke. I know he was not one of the more prolific composers. But it being a romance, I think that that emotional power and the passion that I hear in it, I think that was definitely intended. I'm not sure if he was expressing love for a particular person or the general passion. I'm not sure what his motivation behind it was, but clearly, he put some, had some passionate inspiration. It wanted to help other people feel that or experience it.
Did your experience affect your own understanding of people or the world?
Interviewer: Great. And then did your experience with this piece affect your own understanding of other people or of the world.
Participant: I think. Hmm. Mostly it helped me understand part of myself. I will say I don't know if it's relevant to the research at all. But I am autistic, and I am Alexithymia which makes them often not aware of my own emotions. I'm not connected to them, I had trouble verbalizing them. So, it helped me really experience my own emotions in a way that I hadn't before and I felt like I guess it helped me understand other people, because I had heard other people talking about emotions in this way and listen to this piece was one of the first times I thought, oh, this is what everyone's talking about when they talk about feeling passion or romance.
Did you have any insights about your own authentic (or inauthentic) self?
Interviewer: Great. Thank you so much for sharing that this next question kind of builds a little bit on that. So, when some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process of interacting with this piece. Did you have any insights about your own authentic or inauthentic self?
Participant: Yeah. So, I connected to what I said before it helped me realize that oh, that emotion is inside me, even though I don't always have conscious access to it. That music was so important to me. At that point I was considering studying biology, and actually stopping music entirely. But it made me realize, no, this is a deep, intrinsic aspect of myself, that I cannot stop and want to continue further. And I also learned that the way that my, the way that I was learning music, the way that my teachers were teaching me how to interact with music was not necessarily the way that I wanted to, and that there were multiple ways to interact with music that it wasn't all about technical perfection. But it could be experience more deeply. And it looked at from other angles and that's how I wanted to look at music. Study it.
Did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process?
Interviewer: Great. Thank you. So, this prompt is a little bit longer. Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This is defined as deep underlying meaning that transcends subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significant significance of suffering as well as spirituality. If this idea resonates with you. Did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process of interacting with this piece?
Participant: Hmm. I think at the time that I first listened to it, I was a more spiritual person than I am now. I was more connected to my religion and thinking of the world and more spiritual ways. Thinking about how everything works together where there is a high, whether there is a higher power or not. And I think at the time I did feel like I was kind of tapping into that spirituality that this was not, even though I was alone listening to the piece. I was not necessarily connecting to other people but connecting to a more spiritual force in the world. So that's true.
Perceptions of reality beyond the physical world.
Interviewer: And then this question kind of builds off of that. So, some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world, and this may include religious beliefs and experiences as such as perceived interactions with God, but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences or interaction with spirits. Did you have any of these kinds of experiences during the interaction with this piece?
Participant: I don't think I did.
Perceptions of reality beyond the physical world
Interviewer: And then, even if you didn't have an experience like that, I, you might have felt some sort of inspiration guidance or encouragement from the non-physical or supernatural, or you might have felt some sense of presence or connection. Do you have any of these kinds of experiences in your interaction with that piece?
Participant: I did.
Interviewer: And then could you talk a little bit about what that experience was like and how it affected you as a person and your religious and spiritual beliefs, if at all.
Participant: Yeah. So, that inspiration of music is imported to me. I need music in my life that that push to make a decision. It didn't feel like it was entirely a decision that I made but a, like the universe, everything in the universe kind of coming together and bringing me bringing that conclusion to me or pushing me in that direction. But it didn't feel like an interaction with a particular God or spiritual meeting.
Interviewer: Yeah, great, thank you.
How old were you?
Interviewer: I just have a few shorter follow up questions. So, how old were you when you interacted with this piece?
Participant: Let’s see, I would have been about 16.
Interviewer: Okay.
How do you perceive the quality of the piece?
Interviewer: And then how do you perceive the quality of this piece?
Participant: I think it's up there. It's definitely one of my favorite pieces of classical music. At least I know the others might say it's not, maybe not the most sophisticated, but that I put it at the top.
Life Events
Interviewer: And then you've already talked a little bit about this, but I wondered if you wanted to say anything more about what was going on in your own life around the time that you interacted with this piece.
Participant: Yeah. So, I was, it was this like the end of the summer before my senior year of high school. I had just come home from Interlockin Arts Camp for the first year that I went, I went twice. The previous school year. I was thinking about going into science for a career and dropping music. But I went to Interlockin within the first week. I had an overuse injury and couldn't play for most of the rest of the summer. So, I started exploring their library, where I discovered scores, and I would sit in orchestra rehearsal because I couldn't play, and I would sit with the score and do some score study for the first time, and I checked out a book from the library on the Physics of music. So, I was starting to explore other aspects of music and different ways to study music and interact with it besides performance and, but at the same time I had this injury and couldn't perform so, it was a time of kind of being in flux of not knowing what I was gonna do for college, what direction my life was going to go, and what my relationship with music was going to be going forward.
Interviewer: Great: yeah, that was great. Now, thank you so much. Just yeah.
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