Interview Summary
The participant described an interaction they had alone with an exhibit at the National Gallery in London, which showed various interpretations of Moses being placed in a basket and sent down the river. This exhibit was special to the participant because the pieces were made by children at different grade levels, making them feel like the future of art isn’t lost. They aren’t sure of what drew them into the piece, but they observed it for a long time due to the amazement they felt regarding the children’s creativity. Interacting with the work confirmed that the participant wants to continue to work with children. They believe that the exhibit had intentions of letting the adult imagination go and seeing children’s interpretations. Regarding others, they realized that art is international. Pertaining to themselves, they realized that they wanted to go back to their creative roots. They didn't address ultimate meaning specifically, but suggested that the meaning behind the works grew deeper as the children were older in age.
Interview Transcript
Introduction
Description
Interviewer: Ok so we’d like you to focus on your interaction with a particular artwork, the exhibit would be completely fine, that someone else created and it could be in many different domains. Painting, drawing, sculpture, stained glass, we're really inclusive with our definition. So. it seems like this will fit in really well. Your memories don't have to be. You don't have to remember everything about the exhibit. but it helps if your memories are vivid.
Participant: Okay. So so yeah it was this summer at the National Gallery in London, and the painting title oh, my gosh! I hope I got it right, Moses at the River when he's being put in the basket and sent down the river. What it was was it was by art teachers took it to schools and each grade level was to represent some portion of their interpretation of the painting like.
Why is Moses in a basket? And why is there a basket? And what about the jewelry and the clothing? And it took every aspect of that painting, and then they did their own words per grade level. it was. It blew my mind away. I work with Girl Scouts. And this I thought, oh, my gosh! This is a great experience to take back to my girls. So the little kids just did paintings, their own little stick figure paintings of the paintings. Oh, clay jewelry that the kids made, and their interpretation of it they did. Older kids did a photograph and put people dressed up in contemporary vintage period clothing and took a picture of it. So there was one at an emergency room and one on the streets of London, and I don't know it just totally moved me that kids being so involved in the history of the painting and their interpretation of it. Crazy.
Interviewer: Yeah, so do you have, I know you don't have the exhibit with you. But do you have, like a physical, like an electronic image, or anything or a link or anything?
Participant: I can send you photographs of it in a separate email technology. I wouldn't be able to figure out how to put it up now. Yes, I will send you pictures because it would blow your mind away too
Why did you choose this one? (Specialness)
Interviewer: Great. So I know you described it. You talked about some of the important details. do you want to talk any more about any details of the exhibit? Or or do you want to talk about? Why, why did you choose to talk about this one for the study?
Participant: Well, any more. I don't. I don't think so. I don't know, but I chose this because it was so recent. It was just this summer. I saw it, and I was just looking through pictures of my trip. I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot. This is just amazing. I mean, it's great to see Rembrandt and Da Vinci's and Rubens, and everybody else. But this was children that spoke to me, that the future of art is not lost.
Process of Interacting
What led up to the interaction? What motivated you to explore this piece?
Interviewer: Great so now, please tell me about the experience and process of interacting with this exhibit by answering some of these questions. What led up to the interaction with this artwork. What motivated you to explore this exhibit?
Participant: Okay. One being in London at the National Gallery, dream come true, and you know I had to see everything. And I almost bypassed it because I wanted to go see more masters. But then something I don't know what it was. It drew me into it and I spent a good hour in that exhibit.
When and where did the experience happen? Who was involved besides you (if anyone)?
Interviewer: Oh, great so you already talked about you know when and where the experience happened. And did you want to say anything more about who is involved? besides you?
Participant: It was just me. It was just me, but I took pictures and sent them to people that day probably during this experience, and said, we have to do this. We have to bring this to our small area and get kids involved in art
Interviewer: Great.
What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of interacting with the artwork?
Interviewer: And then what were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of interacting with this exhibit?
Participant: Amazement. Amazement, that how creative and intuitive little minds can be, and coming up with just blurbs of what they were doing. That was also there, too. Tell me your feelings about this painting, and just blew my mind away.
Can you describe any high points, low points or challenges, or turning points along the way?
Interviewer: Great. So can you describe any high points, low points, or challenges, or turning points in your interaction with this exhibit?
Participant: I think the whole the whole thing was a high point, like I said I was there for an hour. It took me. There was no low point. I was just. It was nice that they started out with the younger kids and went through the exhibit. The last part was older kids so older kids meaning maybe fourth or fifth grade. I don't remember how old it got, but maybe middle school age, that just their artwork improved. The details that the students were putting in, and their verbal skills with it just it kept growing.
Let’s talk about the impact of the artwork on you and your life.
What did you learn from the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Interviewer: Nice. So let's talk a little bit about the impact of the artwork on you and your life. What did you learn from the process of interacting with this exhibit? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Participant: That I really wanted to continue working with kids. Yeah.
Do you think that the artists intended the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Interviewer: Okay, Great and then do you think that the artists intended for this exhibit to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Participant: I would think so to me it broke it down that if kids can figure this out and look at a painting, my gosh, let's let the adult imagination go and ask questions whether to a dozen, or to themselves that' be inquisitive.
Did your experience with the artwork affect your your understanding of others or “the world?”
Interviewer: And then did your experience with this exhibit affect your understanding of other people or of the world?
Participant: Well, the fact that this was in London. I'm an American, and art is international. It's global, you know, it speaks to everybody.
Interviewer: Great.
When some people think about themselves, they see parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic.
If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you have any insights about your own authentic (or inauthentic) self?
Interviewer: And then this prompt is a little bit longer. so when some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. And if this idea resonates with you. Did you learn anything about your own true nature during the process of interacting with the exhibit? Did you have any insights about your own authentic or inauthentic self?
Participant: Yes, okay. I wanted I haven't been doing much creativity in such a long time. My job no longer has me being creative. it just made me want to get back to my roots of being creative.
Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This defined as deep, underlying meaning that
transcends subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well as spirituality.
If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the
process of interacting with the artwork?
Interviewer: Oh, great and then this prompt is also a little longer. Some people believe in ultimate meaning, so this is defined as deep underlying meaning that transcends subjective personal meeting. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well as spirituality. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process of interacting with this exhibit?
Participant: Wow! That's a mouthful to contemplate. Read it One more time.
Interviewer: It's defined as deep underlying meaning that transcends subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well as about spirituality. So did you learn anything about ultimate meaning as through the process of interacting with this exhibit?
Participant: Hmm. Good question again. It was. It was really cool how the younger kids focused on little things it didn't involve in when the older kids about more meaning. Now, can I put my thumb on any of it? Not necessarily, but I could tell that they were getting the deeper meaning of this painting of a mother releasing this, her son, to the unknown, and hoping for the best I could tell that that they, the kids, had gotten that message.
Some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs/experiences (such as perceived interactions with God) but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences, or interaction with spirits.
Did you have any kind of these experiences during the interaction with the artwork?
Interviewer: Great. Thank you. and so this is another slightly longer prompt. so some people believe or perceive our reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs and experiences such as perceived interactions with God, but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences, or interaction with spirits. Did you have any kind of these experiences during the interaction with this exhibit?
Participant: Hmm. It would be pretty much similar to what I had just said that the older children got more out of it, I think. I want to say I think there was some quote about aliens coming in and rescuing the child, it got to be all over the place.
Interviewer: Okay.
Participant: yeah, sorry. Can't really pinpoint.
Interviewer: Yeah, Not a problem at all.
How old were you?
Interviewer: So I just have a few follow-up questions. So how old were you when you interacted with this exhibit?
Participant: Oh, that just last this summer. So you need to know my age. I'll say, I'm 60. Yeah.
How do you perceive the quality of the work?
Interviewer: Okay, and then, so you've talked about how you perceive the quality of the work. It seems like. Did you want to say anything more about that? Okay, and then
What was going on in your life around the time that you interacted with the artwork?
Interviewer: I think you talked a little bit about this. But did you want to add anything more about what was going on in your own life around the time that you interacted with the exhibit?
Participant: Oh, yes, it was my first solo trip at my age, and doing what I wanted to do on a vacation and not having to worry about anybody else, I was free. I was free to stop and look and not worry about anybody else. It was a freeing trip, a freeing exhibit. Yeah.
Interviewer: Okay, yeah, Good. Great, yeah, that was great. Thank you so much.
The participant described an interaction they had alone with an exhibit at the National Gallery in London, which showed various interpretations of Moses being placed in a basket and sent down the river. This exhibit was special to the participant because the pieces were made by children at different grade levels, making them feel like the future of art isn’t lost. They aren’t sure of what drew them into the piece, but they observed it for a long time due to the amazement they felt regarding the children’s creativity. Interacting with the work confirmed that the participant wants to continue to work with children. They believe that the exhibit had intentions of letting the adult imagination go and seeing children’s interpretations. Regarding others, they realized that art is international. Pertaining to themselves, they realized that they wanted to go back to their creative roots. They didn't address ultimate meaning specifically, but suggested that the meaning behind the works grew deeper as the children were older in age.
Interview Transcript
Introduction
Description
Interviewer: Ok so we’d like you to focus on your interaction with a particular artwork, the exhibit would be completely fine, that someone else created and it could be in many different domains. Painting, drawing, sculpture, stained glass, we're really inclusive with our definition. So. it seems like this will fit in really well. Your memories don't have to be. You don't have to remember everything about the exhibit. but it helps if your memories are vivid.
Participant: Okay. So so yeah it was this summer at the National Gallery in London, and the painting title oh, my gosh! I hope I got it right, Moses at the River when he's being put in the basket and sent down the river. What it was was it was by art teachers took it to schools and each grade level was to represent some portion of their interpretation of the painting like.
Why is Moses in a basket? And why is there a basket? And what about the jewelry and the clothing? And it took every aspect of that painting, and then they did their own words per grade level. it was. It blew my mind away. I work with Girl Scouts. And this I thought, oh, my gosh! This is a great experience to take back to my girls. So the little kids just did paintings, their own little stick figure paintings of the paintings. Oh, clay jewelry that the kids made, and their interpretation of it they did. Older kids did a photograph and put people dressed up in contemporary vintage period clothing and took a picture of it. So there was one at an emergency room and one on the streets of London, and I don't know it just totally moved me that kids being so involved in the history of the painting and their interpretation of it. Crazy.
Interviewer: Yeah, so do you have, I know you don't have the exhibit with you. But do you have, like a physical, like an electronic image, or anything or a link or anything?
Participant: I can send you photographs of it in a separate email technology. I wouldn't be able to figure out how to put it up now. Yes, I will send you pictures because it would blow your mind away too
Why did you choose this one? (Specialness)
Interviewer: Great. So I know you described it. You talked about some of the important details. do you want to talk any more about any details of the exhibit? Or or do you want to talk about? Why, why did you choose to talk about this one for the study?
Participant: Well, any more. I don't. I don't think so. I don't know, but I chose this because it was so recent. It was just this summer. I saw it, and I was just looking through pictures of my trip. I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot. This is just amazing. I mean, it's great to see Rembrandt and Da Vinci's and Rubens, and everybody else. But this was children that spoke to me, that the future of art is not lost.
Process of Interacting
What led up to the interaction? What motivated you to explore this piece?
Interviewer: Great so now, please tell me about the experience and process of interacting with this exhibit by answering some of these questions. What led up to the interaction with this artwork. What motivated you to explore this exhibit?
Participant: Okay. One being in London at the National Gallery, dream come true, and you know I had to see everything. And I almost bypassed it because I wanted to go see more masters. But then something I don't know what it was. It drew me into it and I spent a good hour in that exhibit.
When and where did the experience happen? Who was involved besides you (if anyone)?
Interviewer: Oh, great so you already talked about you know when and where the experience happened. And did you want to say anything more about who is involved? besides you?
Participant: It was just me. It was just me, but I took pictures and sent them to people that day probably during this experience, and said, we have to do this. We have to bring this to our small area and get kids involved in art
Interviewer: Great.
What were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of interacting with the artwork?
Interviewer: And then what were you thinking and feeling at different times throughout the process of interacting with this exhibit?
Participant: Amazement. Amazement, that how creative and intuitive little minds can be, and coming up with just blurbs of what they were doing. That was also there, too. Tell me your feelings about this painting, and just blew my mind away.
Can you describe any high points, low points or challenges, or turning points along the way?
Interviewer: Great. So can you describe any high points, low points, or challenges, or turning points in your interaction with this exhibit?
Participant: I think the whole the whole thing was a high point, like I said I was there for an hour. It took me. There was no low point. I was just. It was nice that they started out with the younger kids and went through the exhibit. The last part was older kids so older kids meaning maybe fourth or fifth grade. I don't remember how old it got, but maybe middle school age, that just their artwork improved. The details that the students were putting in, and their verbal skills with it just it kept growing.
Let’s talk about the impact of the artwork on you and your life.
What did you learn from the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Interviewer: Nice. So let's talk a little bit about the impact of the artwork on you and your life. What did you learn from the process of interacting with this exhibit? Did you learn anything about yourself?
Participant: That I really wanted to continue working with kids. Yeah.
Do you think that the artists intended the work to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Interviewer: Okay, Great and then do you think that the artists intended for this exhibit to affect others or the world in any particular ways?
Participant: I would think so to me it broke it down that if kids can figure this out and look at a painting, my gosh, let's let the adult imagination go and ask questions whether to a dozen, or to themselves that' be inquisitive.
Did your experience with the artwork affect your your understanding of others or “the world?”
Interviewer: And then did your experience with this exhibit affect your understanding of other people or of the world?
Participant: Well, the fact that this was in London. I'm an American, and art is international. It's global, you know, it speaks to everybody.
Interviewer: Great.
When some people think about themselves, they see parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic.
If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about your true nature during the process of interacting with the artwork? Did you have any insights about your own authentic (or inauthentic) self?
Interviewer: And then this prompt is a little bit longer. so when some people think about themselves, they see some parts of themselves as deeply true, real, or authentic. And if this idea resonates with you. Did you learn anything about your own true nature during the process of interacting with the exhibit? Did you have any insights about your own authentic or inauthentic self?
Participant: Yes, okay. I wanted I haven't been doing much creativity in such a long time. My job no longer has me being creative. it just made me want to get back to my roots of being creative.
Some people believe in ultimate meaning. This defined as deep, underlying meaning that
transcends subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well as spirituality.
If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the
process of interacting with the artwork?
Interviewer: Oh, great and then this prompt is also a little longer. Some people believe in ultimate meaning, so this is defined as deep underlying meaning that transcends subjective personal meeting. It is about the nature of existence and identity, and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well as spirituality. If this idea resonates with you, did you learn anything about ultimate meaning during the process of interacting with this exhibit?
Participant: Wow! That's a mouthful to contemplate. Read it One more time.
Interviewer: It's defined as deep underlying meaning that transcends subjective personal meaning. It is about the nature of existence and identity and it may include ideas about the significance of suffering as well as about spirituality. So did you learn anything about ultimate meaning as through the process of interacting with this exhibit?
Participant: Hmm. Good question again. It was. It was really cool how the younger kids focused on little things it didn't involve in when the older kids about more meaning. Now, can I put my thumb on any of it? Not necessarily, but I could tell that they were getting the deeper meaning of this painting of a mother releasing this, her son, to the unknown, and hoping for the best I could tell that that they, the kids, had gotten that message.
Some people believe or perceive a reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs/experiences (such as perceived interactions with God) but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences, or interaction with spirits.
Did you have any kind of these experiences during the interaction with the artwork?
Interviewer: Great. Thank you. and so this is another slightly longer prompt. so some people believe or perceive our reality beyond the physical or material world. This may include religious beliefs and experiences such as perceived interactions with God, but also may include mystical or transcendent experiences, or interaction with spirits. Did you have any kind of these experiences during the interaction with this exhibit?
Participant: Hmm. It would be pretty much similar to what I had just said that the older children got more out of it, I think. I want to say I think there was some quote about aliens coming in and rescuing the child, it got to be all over the place.
Interviewer: Okay.
Participant: yeah, sorry. Can't really pinpoint.
Interviewer: Yeah, Not a problem at all.
How old were you?
Interviewer: So I just have a few follow-up questions. So how old were you when you interacted with this exhibit?
Participant: Oh, that just last this summer. So you need to know my age. I'll say, I'm 60. Yeah.
How do you perceive the quality of the work?
Interviewer: Okay, and then, so you've talked about how you perceive the quality of the work. It seems like. Did you want to say anything more about that? Okay, and then
What was going on in your life around the time that you interacted with the artwork?
Interviewer: I think you talked a little bit about this. But did you want to add anything more about what was going on in your own life around the time that you interacted with the exhibit?
Participant: Oh, yes, it was my first solo trip at my age, and doing what I wanted to do on a vacation and not having to worry about anybody else, I was free. I was free to stop and look and not worry about anybody else. It was a freeing trip, a freeing exhibit. Yeah.
Interviewer: Okay, yeah, Good. Great, yeah, that was great. Thank you so much.
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